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alright so ive seen this compilation post, uploaded by batmanisagatewaydrug around a million fucking times and i’m reuploading it instead of giving it more notes because it’s already at like 220k or something ridiculous like that and i’d just like to say

  1.  theroguefeminist isnt exactly known for phrasing things well & is not always well liked among sj people. what i think they were trying to say is that it’s important to recognize valid parts of people’s identities, as the original post seemed to endorse the “I don’t see you as (x)” sort of mentality
  2. i call bullshit on the messages. OP just wanted notes at the expense of feminism
  3. thebitterfrenchcanadian’s faq confirms that this is a joke and you are all gullible
  4. wolfstirfry’s sidebar says ‘that post was a joke’ on it
  5. it’s not anyone’s responsibility to educate people who are hurting them, and the commenter was making the point that OP was unlikely to have experienced that
  6. troll anon. see use of vuv and incorrect understanding of cultural appropriation
  7. emeralddragoness has deleted but honestly i think this boils down to what a person is comfortable with themselves and OP was rlly rude in response
  8. troll anon again
  9. the way this is full of buzzwords and the cutesy emote at the end makes me think its a troll post although dating, as it doesnt exist in nature, is technically a social construct (not that that’s a bad thing)
  10. this was posted by a literal neo-nazi white supremacist, formerly known as sophia-kaminski. she’s literally the furthest thing from social justice you can get. also, a note to the commenter, race is not just skin color

conclusion: tumblr is gullible as hell and will take any excuse to hate minorities who are sticking up for themselves

I… don’t see how that conclusion follows? I mean, let’s say we stipulate that these are all fake or misleadingly-quoted or whatever. So what? It’s not as though it’s hard at all to find actual examples of people doing shitty things and claiming it’s for “social justice”, and they really are doing just that.

I don’t think the objection here is to “minorities sticking up for themselves”. It’s that we have a population of people who are bad enough that the trolls seem realistic.

And honestly, go look more closely at that “death threats to the ignorant” thing. How the hell is “it’s not anyone’s responsibility to educate people who are hurting them” responsive to the original point? You wanna talk about not getting people’s points, maybe you should look closely at that. The point was not “you have a duty to educate”, it’s “don’t send death threats”. If you don’t want to educate people, hey, that’s cool; you get to decide how to spend your time. But if you’re going to spend time on activism, do stuff that doesn’t make it worse. That’s a pretty straightforward and obvious point, and the commenter’s response was missing it completely. Also, isn’t assuming that a “cis white boy” won’t have experienced that sort of heteronormative disability erasure? Yeah, it sorta is. No, “unlikely to” doesn’t matter. After all, people are “unlikely to” be gay; if it’s heteronormative to assume that a married guy has a wife and not a husband, then it’s heteronormative to assume that a cis white boy hasn’t experienced such discrimination. Heck, unless you actually know that the boy in question specifically identifies as cis, it might be considered a bit rude to just declare them cis.

I agree with you, but also like

Yes there are some people who are trash in the way they endorse social activism, and no one should be getting death threats for, like, learning Spanish and making jokes that involve the word “female” in a harmless way. 

But the fact that the original posts has hundreds of thousands of notes seems like a problem to me. There are other posts like this around too, I know, and I honestly don’t think it’s okay to focus on compilations of how “SJWs are so horrible and stupid omg” rather than posts that focus on injustices done to minority groups, hate male to people who stick up for causes in the right way, etc., because this is a problem that exists pretty much only on Tumblr. There are other manifestations, but they’re more rare, and they’re often seriously special cases (that usually get called out quickly anyway in asks and things).

If you want to talk about how not to approach social justice, and how not to support minority groups, don’t just give us some pictures of “mean/gullible/dumb SJWs!!!!!!”. Explain what the fuck is wrong with what they’re doing, and why. Preferably to the person first, and if they aren’t willing to listen, then in a post that calls them out. 

And stop using posts like this as an excuse to hate SJWs as a whole.

See, I don’t think it’s a problem, because this was one single post with all those notes, but I see dozens of social justice posts with thousands or tens of thousands of notes which are actually horrible, they just use the buzzwords to sound reasonable at first.

So there’s no underlying “focusing on” problem here; stuff like this is not at all at the expense of actual pursuit of important goals. And it’s not even really at the expense of individual contacts and callouts; rather, it’s serving to let people know that, hey, there is an actual serious problem here and it isn’t just that people don’t care.

Secondly, “SJWs” are by definition the people who are actually doing abusive things that are not seriously intended to make things better. If you are not more interested in hurting people than in actually advancing your cause, you are not an SJW. Social justice activists of various sorts are usually not SJWs.

Thirdly, the SJW problem is by no means restricted to tumblr. It’s not even restricted to this century. Wherever there has been oppression, there have been some people fighting it, and some people pretending to fight it so they had an excuse to hurt people. This is not a new thing at all. Booker T. Washington wrote, back in 1911:

"I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public."

There is nothing new under the sun. SJWs have been with us for as long as we have had the concept of social justice.




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